Nephilim - Quinteflush aux Mysts par les Templiers

[Solaris]

J'ai trouvé la v5 très réussie. Facile à faire jouer et relativement accessible.

Une chose m'a rebuté : le temps de création d'un personnage. C'est là où on sent que la v5 s'adresse aux campagnes et aux joueurs qui s'impliquent. Je vais peut être dire une bêtise, mais clairement, Nephilim n'est pas un jeu à one shot ou pour des démos (sauf les kits de découvertes précités). 
Rien que le temps de crééer tes prétirés, il faut de la motivation pour une séance découverte.

[Nightfalls]

Je vais peut être dire une bêtise, mais clairement, Nephilim n'est pas un jeu à one shot ou pour des démos (sauf les kits de découvertes précités)

D'accord avec toi !
Quelle que soit la version de Nephilim
Avec ma table (4 joueurs qui ne connaissaient pas le jeu), on est en plein dans une belle campagne (Ys + Souffle)

[Solaris]

Je vais peut être dire une bêtise, mais clairement, Nephilim n'est pas un jeu à one shot ou pour des démos (sauf les kits de découvertes précités)

D'accord avec toi !
Quelle que soit la version de Nephilim
Avec ma table (4 joueurs qui ne connaissaient pas le jeu), on est en plein dans une belle campagne (Ys + Souffle)

Après, ce qui est intéressant, si on a des prétirés sous la main, c'est d'ouvrir des portes en one shot pour donner envie aux PJ de continuer et d'en savoir plus. D'ailleurs, ce serait dommage de résoudre la séance sans ce petit, plus. Car l'univers est très riche et vraiment chouette.
Sans parler de faire des scènes en extérieur. Genre faire une virée dans un monument du coin pour faire découvrir des indices / faire une recherche.

[Storyteller]

[font][font]Hello!  Please pardon me, I don't speak any French  [/font][/font][font][font] [/font]

[font][font][font]A friend sent me here to talk about Nephilim.  

I am not sure if this is the best thread to post in. Let me know if I need to make a new thread or post elsewhere. 

I am working for Chaosium and their director asked me three years ago to start working on the US Nephilim 2nd Edition.  They have still not agreed or approved the new design, and have not set up a contract yet.  So at this time, these are just our ideas for where the next edition of the game could go. Much of the writing is done, and I have been beta-testing the game for a few years now.  It uses a very streamlined and custom version of BRP rules.  And I have started to offer NDA for people who want to playtest the game.  [/font][/font][/font][/font]

[font][font][font][font]What I would like to do is talk to Nephilim fans and get more ideas on what people love about the game and what they can teach me or suggest to me.  The entire game and game master book I have are mostly done, and so I also want to go over what we have created to see if these are things players and fans would like.  

I have so much I want to learn and so much to share I don't know where to begin!  [/font][/font]

[font][font]Let me know what you all think, cheers! [/font][/font][/font][/font]
 

[Loris]

J’ai pu lire/feuileter cette v2 US et j’ai bien aimé.

C’est très différent de la v1 comme des éditions FR. Déjà parce que les Nephilim ne sont plus des voleurs de corps. J’avais pu lire les fichiers y’a un moment… faudrait que je relise le tout pour en parler… mais je confirme ce qui est dit dans le message ci dessus.

[Cléanthe]

@Loris Je savais pour Nephilim v1 aux USA, mais je ne connais pas du tout les différences avec la vf. Les nephilim ne sont pas des voleurs de corps dis-tu ? Je suis curieux.
Et au niveau du monde occulte ?

[DocZagul]

[font][font]Hello!  Please pardon me, I don't speak any French  [/font][/font][font][font] [/font]

[font][font][font]A friend sent me here to talk about Nephilim.  

I am not sure if this is the best thread to post in. Let me know if I need to make a new thread or post elsewhere. 

I am working for Chaosium and their director asked me three years ago to start working on the US Nephilim 2nd Edition.  They have still not agreed or approved the new design, and have not set up a contract yet.  So at this time, these are just our ideas for where the next edition of the game could go. Much of the writing is done, and I have been beta-testing the game for a few years now.  It uses a very streamlined and custom version of BRP rules.  And I have started to offer NDA for people who want to playtest the game.  [/font][/font][/font][/font]

[font][font][font][font]What I would like to do is talk to Nephilim fans and get more ideas on what people love about the game and what they can teach me or suggest to me.  The entire game and game master book I have are mostly done, and so I also want to go over what we have created to see if these are things players and fans would like.  

I have so much I want to learn and so much to share I don't know where to begin!  [/font][/font]

[font][font]Let me know what you all think, cheers! [/font][/font][/font][/font]
 

Hello and welcome

I'm curious about this 2nd english edition.

You can discuss about Nephilim with some fans here. There's also a Discord community if you're interested and the french Nephilim association "Les Héritiers de Babel".
You can contact me privatly if you want more informations.

[Loris]

@Loris Je savais pour Nephilim v1 aux USA, mais je ne connais pas du tout les différences avec la vf. Les nephilim ne sont pas des voleurs de corps dis-tu ? Je suis curieux.
Et au niveau du monde occulte ?

La v1 USA est très proche de la v1 FR. Mais elle est nettement plus new age, et située aux US. Cependant, un truc qu’une frange du public a détesté, c’est l’aspect voleur de corps (pour des raisons qui me restent obscures). Les suppléments poursuivent la ligne choisie, sans plus de lien aucun avec la VF.

La v2 US poursuit l’aspect New Age mais refond le système. Elle vire le coté Voleurs de Corps. Une partie du setting est « San Francisco dans les 60s » aussi.

[Tristan]

@Loris Je savais pour Nephilim v1 aux USA, mais je ne connais pas du tout les différences avec la vf. Les nephilim ne sont pas des voleurs de corps dis-tu ? Je suis curieux.
Et au niveau du monde occulte ?

La v1 USA est très proche de la v1 FR. Mais elle est nettement plus new age, et située aux US. Cependant, un truc qu’une frange du public a détesté, c’est l’aspect voleur de corps (pour des raisons qui me restent obscures). Les suppléments poursuivent la ligne choisie, sans plus de lien aucun avec la VF.

La v2 US poursuit l’aspect New Age mais refond le système. Elle vire le coté Voleurs de Corps. Une partie du setting est « San Francisco dans les 60s » aussi.

Je me souviens d’avoir entendu Greg Stafford dire : « c’est simple, en Europe, les occultistes se suicident déguisés en Templiers, chez nous, ils se suicident avec des baskets noires pour rejoindre une comète ».

[Storyteller]

I'm curious about this 2nd english edition.

You can discuss about Nephilim with some fans here. There's also a Discord community if you're interested and the French Nephilim association "Les Héritiers de Babel".
You can contact me privately if you want more information.

Wonderful!  

For those who are interested here is where we have gone in this potential game = 

- It is rules complete. The player guide and game master book are mostly done with only a bit of history and metaplot to fill in. 
- I have run and started writing the Campaign and Setting book. It will have all of the location and world details.
 
Now for the details on Nephilim the game its self =
- Nephilim are treated as mysterious origin, so no definitive birth or creation is given, though a few theories are discussed.
 
- There are no longer any sentient dinosaurs or such.  Though there is theory on how there may have been an era of monstrous Nephilim.
 
- Nephilim are still immortal spirits of the elemental fields, but the default condition is to Incarnate with a ‘shard’ of Solar-ka to develop on the Golden Path.
 
- This means Nephilim don’t need to possess or take a human’s body, they incarnate one of their own through the process of reincarnation.
 
- This does mean that Nephilim will have human parents and siblings and can sire/give birth to humans of their own.  It is a perfect Simulacrum of a human they Incarnate as.
 
- They can still Discorporate, and possesses people and objects and places if they choose to.  There are moral implications and social ones as well.
 
- Shouit is a tracker on the way to Dissolution (oblivion)
 
- Khabia is a ‘state of being’ that is based on your Major Arcana
 
- Nephilim are not defined by a pre-set list of Metamorphosis.  We use a player-custom generated tables set for that.  (So you don't pick Sylph or Phoenix, but if you can make those choices on the tables if you wish). 
 
- Major Arcana as factions are now under philosophical Egregores. 
 
- Major Arcana is the archetype of Nephilim you are, and determines your Traits and Khaiba and a unique power called a Distinction. You can't change your Major Arcana, it's the magic higher self.
 
- Lesser Arcana is the term for magick inherent to Nephilim, willwork so to speak.  Thus they have a higher and lower self, above and below.
 
- Templars are guardians of the humans who walk their path to enlightenment/god.  They are not a direct enemy to Nephilim, but they are not allies either.
 
- We have 5 secret paths for Nephilim players to discover such as Selenim.
 
There are many more details, but that is the major changes, everything else is much more minor or insignificant.
 
For the Gameplay =
- the game is very heavy on the occult, breaking out human occult from Nephilim occult.
 
- we have special rule for Past Lives and Flashbacks, so you can make your past lives relevant now.
 
- we have special rules on group-achievements that are granted to all players, kind of like Crew Sheets in Blades in the Dark
 
- The rules are percentile skills, but they are using a similar rule system as Pendragon 6th edition.  So there are Traits you more often roll than Skills.  Traits are based on your Path to Apotheosis (which can lead to Agartha or Akasha your choice)
 
- The rules work with simple system of Success, or Success with Complications, or Miss and Game Master makes a move on your missed roll. This makes magic very fun!

 

Je me souviens d’avoir entendu Greg Stafford dire : « c’est simple, en Europe, les occultistes se suicident déguisés en Templiers, chez nous, ils se suicident avec des baskets noires pour rejoindre une comète ».

I was given all of Greg's original notes, and what you have here is one of many wonderful and esoteric ideas he has    I have tried to stick close to his notes as much as I can, while bringing system into modern era. 


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I only have knowledge of the US 1st Edition Nephilim.  But I have been able to buy a few French copies of Revelation and N5.  (One of my friends has the whole N5 box set I get to look at from time to time).  

I am not sure where to start with questions.  I suppose I would maybe begin with things that plague my writing = 

- What are players of Nephilim doing with their plots and campaigns? 

- How are people able to get new players into Nephilim - especially ones who don't know what a Nephilim is, what Occult is, or are even unaware of the metaphysical? 

- How much mundane life versus magic spirit/monster are people playing out in Nephilim?  (I ask this as most people here I talk to play Vampire the Masquerade as a superheroes at night combat game with a small serving of politics. Not very esoteric or philosophical   )